Friday, May 25, 2007

The best and worst producer-rappers of all time (part 1 of 3)


Young hooks's article about his abhorrence of Kanye's rapping got me thinking about producer-rappers. I'm not the hugest Kanye fan but he's a great producer and I'd even say I can respect him as a rapper, especially among the handful of other garbage MC's, like MIMS, that are constantly being flushed through the mainstream.

But Kanye's accomplishments are even more impressive if we consider what it entails to be, as Dre said in "Gin & Juice": "a producer who can rap and control the maestro at the same time." From a business standpoint, producer-rappers occupy the ultimate position of artist autonomy in hip-hop, and perhaps in music in general. That explains why often producer-rappers are also entrepreneurial company heads, like Master P and P Diddy. Hip-hop players like them control the output of the product from beginning to end, from market potential to song design to song creation, and ultimately to marketing the song en masse. They also get full royalty payments--copyrights belong half to the 'writer' and half to the 'producer,' meaning that a producer-rapper reaps in all the cash.

So in general a producer-rapper avoids getting done in by major labels. He also streamlines the creative process of music, avoiding the power struggle that can emerge between the lyricist and the musical mind, which arises especially as a duo becomes more popular (Dr. Dre/Eazy-E during NWA is a prime example). In essence there is no room for "creative differences" that so commonly extinguish groups before they reach their full potential.

And lastly, we have to recognize the tremendous amount of talent that producer-rappers possess. They are the singer/songwriters of rap, having the ability to both compose music and complement it with a display of lyrical mastery. Think about it. Most people can't rap. Of those who can, most rappers can't rap well. And even people who rap well oftentimes don't reach our ears because they, for some reason or another, can't penetrate the industry. When they do, how many of them can produce as well?

Conversely, making quality beats is extremely difficult, requiring intensive knowledge of music theory, hip-hop, other genres (for samples/pastiche), and technology. Few producers have time, energy, or talent for perfecting their writing and rapping skills. Most producers stick to the music because good production is in such short supply, whereas all you need is vocal chords and familiarity with a language to be a rapper (also, alcohol and weed help).

So, even if a rapper's beats can get sloppy or a producer's rapping can be subpar at times, we have to respect producer-rappers. They control their careers and artistic process more than most artists, and display immense talent and/or market savvy.

I was originally gonna list out the best and worst producer-rappers in this article, but it looks like I had a lot to say introducing the subject. So part 2 will be the Best; part 3 the Worst. You can all help me now in listing out all the producer-rappers. I brainstormed the ones I could think of, which are below. But I don't wanna forget someone and look like an idiot. So let me have 'em!

Producers who can rap and control the maestro:
Dr. Dre, DJ Quik, Daz Dillinger, J-ZONE, J-Live, El-P, Lil' Jon, Eminem, Benzino, MF DOOM, Madlib, Jermaine Dupri, P Diddy, Devin the Dude(?), Jaz-O (?), Timbaland, Havoc of Mobb Deep

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

My point about Kanye isn't that I don't respect the fact that he can produce and also rap (kind of), just that his rap skills are not enough to justify him being on remixes that he hasn't remixed. Nice post nonetheless. I don't know how much of a producer Master P is, though...he's an executive producer on lots of albums, but does he actually make the beats? Maybe he does; I'm sure no expert on No Limit.

As for the producer/rapper list, you need to get up on DITC son!!! Diamond, Lord Finesse and Showbiz all rap/produce (though Show quit rapping), and I'd say Finesse is probably the best double threat there is. Large Pro might be a close second.

And DJ Quik is the muthafuckin man.

stylings of glo said...

first of all for my picks: once big boi and andre started producing their own shit (half on atliens and everything after) they are #1 hands down.

one other quick point, i'm almost positive that Dr. Dre hasn't written a rhyme in his whole career. maybe in the beginning he did, but i know once he had some money jay-z was ghostwriting all that shit. i feel like the ghostwriting issue could make this list a difficult one to put together.

ash money fiscal said...

Wow, forgetting Outkast on this site is the cardinal sin, what am I thinking.

Dre definitely has written SOME of his rhymes, but since most of his tracks are credited to A. Young, and many of the ghostwriting claims are unproven or hushed, we have to count him in this category. At the very least, he raps for sure, so I have no complications putting him in here. Especially since he's one of the best producers in the game, ever. He may slip a spot or two, but I wasn't about to put him #1 overall anyways.

ash money fiscal said...

Oh, and for the record, the Dre quote is from "Nothin But a G Thang," not "Gin & Juice."

mr.buttercups said...

yeah mo fo. outkast should be at the top of every list. the mo flaker has a cartoon. you should have a best rapper slash cartoonist list.

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